Keywords: L4 Lumbar Spine, chiropractic help, lumbar surgery, lumbar facet arthropathy spondylolysthesis, slipped disc rules
Any lower back disc protrusion may cause a serious list to port (or starboard!) called an antalgia,
though not necessarily. It is often worse at L4. We at Chiropractic Help call it the sign of
Pisa! And of course accompanied by acute lower lumbar back pain. In
Holland it's called 'spit'. In the English speaking world, "slipped
disk". In the language of the Two Ronnies: I've just done me back in.
The word antalgia is really two words joined together:
Ant meaning away from.
Algia meaning pain.
Antalgia means thus leaning away from the pain.
It's a reflex spasm of the back to protect the nerve from being pinched when you have a bulging lumbar disc. It's a serious sign, and neglected often progresses to a sciatica; severe pain down the leg. Always assume it will take at least six weeks for the annulus fibrosus to heal because, if you have a relapse, you can expect that it will quickly progress from a Grade one lumbar disc protrusion, to grade two, or three, and even heaven forbid, grade four and a high likelihood of lumbar spinal surgery.
The first grade is known as a
lumbar disc protrusion. The rule in health care is the same as in money. Look after the pennies,
and the pounds will look after themselves. Care properly for your grade one Lumbar disc protrusion and you won't end up with a grade two; and
ultimately grade four. Clinically I like to thing of a grade five. More about that later.
A little warning; these terms, bulge, protrusion, prolapse, extrusion and sequestration tend to be used rather loosely, espectially the first three.
Go on, take a look at lumbar disc protrusion, I'll wait until you're done! Then hit the go back one page arrow at the top of your page, and I'll be waiting, for the rest of your L4 lumbar spine tour, and how to avoid lumbar surgery.
Searching for something specific? Say, slipped disc rules. Just type it in here.
What is confusing is that antalgias come into two forms: one away from the pain, and one towards the pain - but we call them both antalgias.
They must both be taken seriously, but what is interesting is that the postero-medial kind responds very quickly to Chiropractic adjustments - but it still takes six weeks to heal. If you ignore this fact, relapse is common frequently progressing to pain and tingling in feet and legs.
TINGLING IN FEET AND LEGS
L4 Lumbar Spine
Should the bulging disk irritate the nerve, usually the L5 nerve, you will start to feel tingling following a specific pattern. Then the skin becomes hypersensitive, and if you still do nothing the skin, particular on the lower leg stretching over towards the top of the foot and the big toe, will become numb. TINGLING IN FEET AND LEGS ...
Within each spinal nerve, there are in fact two nerves. One bringing information from the limbs for example, and the other innervating the muscles.
The L5 nerve root, the one usually affected by a bulging L4-L5 disc, classically supplies a muscle called the Extensor Hallucis Longus. If it's weak, you will have difficulty raising your great toe off the ground.
Can you do this?
LOWER BACK SURGERY @ L4 Lumbar Spine
Because the pain often resides quite quickly with Chiropractic help with a medial slipped disk, patients sometimes stop the rehab, thinking the condition was no big deal and your chiropractor has golden hands!, start sitting and bending too quickly, and whoops, a relaps. In my experience, the medial disk is much easier to manage, but in reality, research proves that a greater percentage of medial disks end up in lumbar spinal surgery.
Medicine's approach is to treat a herniated lumbar disk first with anti inflammatory drugs and then, if that doesn't help, with lower back surgery.
However, at chiropractic help, we don't see this as an inflammatory condition, unless it's been neglected for weeks or months. Rather, like a broken arm, the displaced nucleus pulposus should first be reduced, a variety manual techniques are used, and then the joint rehabilitated.
A corset to immobilize the joint for a period, when doing unavoidable activities like bending and sitting, may be useful, but should not be used for long periods.
We are also not in principle against good lower back surgery, and every chiropractor has to refer patients to good surgeons periodically. However, Failed Back Surgery is a daily phenomenon in our clinics, so we are convinced that a course of Chiropractic care should be mandatory before surgery.
More, interesting research shows that if you first consult a chiropractor for a serious low back injury, you are significantly less likely to end up under the knife. Every week, day?, lost before that disc is reduced increases the likelihood of surgery.
So, this is a normal disc. Note the very strong washer than contains the nucleus, and the location of the nerve root just behind the disc, exiting from the spine via the inter vertebral foramen. In the third picture down, you'll see how the disc can bulge into the foramen.
Grade 1: This is a disc bulge, where we started this page. A grade 1 protrusion gives no leg pain, but if it threatens the nerve root you'll often start looking like a question mark: the sign of Pisa.
Grade 2: Protrusion. Now the bulge is larger and is certainly affecting the nerve root. The protrusion may be "lateral" as in the graphic below, in which case Pisa leans "away" from the pain.
Or it may be medial to the nerve root, in which case Pisa leans "towards" the painful side. Now the Slump test for sciatica will be positive, if it's one of the lower discs. The mid to upper lumbar spine would affect the Femoral nerve with pain in the side and front of the thigh.
Grade 3: Prolapse / aka an extruded disc. Leg pain, but no numbness or weakness.
Grade 4: Leg pain WITH altered sensation in the leg and/or weakness of the muscles associated with that nerve root.
S1 nerve root: difficulty standing on your toes (raising the heel).
L5 nerve root: unable to raise the great toe.
L4 and higher nerve roots: Foot drop if the Tibialis anterior muscle is affected, or weakness at the knee if the Quadriceps muscle is affected.
Grade 5: No, or minimal back pain, but severe leg pain, weakness and sensory change. Because the "sequestered disc" has completely escaped, it produces bizarre sensory changes. Sometimes under the foot, then on the side of the ankle, then perhaps the side of the foot...
The sequestered disc can move down, as in the graphic below, or upwards.
FROM THE COALFACE
Mr van der D, aged 68 had an attack of "spit" seven years ago. He didn't respond well to drugs or physiotherapy, and it was decided that he should have a lumbar decompression operation. This is the X-rays taken BEFORE the operation.
The L4 lumbar spine op didn't help, so six weeks later he had a second more drastic operation. Look carefully at the L4-L5 disc space. These X-rays were taken immediately after the second op.
Notice the severe loss of the disc space where the nucleus pulposus
was extracted in the lumbar decompression of this L4 lumbar spine. He
has a flat tyre, and quite soon it's going to be bone on bone, or lumbar stenosis.
The operation relieved his back pain and leg pain, for a time, but set him up for a certain lumbar stenosis: severe narrowing of the foramen where the nerves emerge. Now he has had severe unrelenting pain down the leg for three months. Read more lower down about chiropractic help Lumbar Stenosis.
He's responded well to the first two treatments, but to be quite honest, the future remains uncertain. At least six to eight weeks of treatment, rehab, and a life time of chiropractic care.
go for a lumbar spinal surgery after a L4 lumbar spine protrusion, try
everything first. When and if all else fails, including a solid attempt
at chiropractic help, then and only then submit to your surgery. Done by
an expert, say your prayers, it can be a wonder. But it can also be a
disaster. It wasn't cynical chiropractors who coined the phrase, FBS. Failed back surgery.
Just the anaesthetic alone has its dangers.
Anaesthetic Alzheimers is a reality for both the older person and small children especially.
L4 LUMBAR SPINE CASEFILE
Never treat Case files as gospel, but cases like this one often they reveal a gem of truth worth considering... L4 LUMBAR SPINE CASEFILE ...
SLIPPED DISC RULES @ L4 Lumbar Spine
Small slipped discs are not uncommon and you will recover quickly with chiropractic help, but if you have a severe attack of lower back pain, are standing like Pisa, and especially if you have radiating pain down the leg, then we strongly recommend these slipped disc rules if you want to escape lumbar surgery.
of them are controversial. For example, research shows that bed rest
alone has little or no value, in fact may make you worse. My
unresearched opinion is that, combined with chiropractic help, and
active exercises done every half an hour, and getting up every hour for a
short walk, that bed rest is very beneficial.
LUMBAR FACET SYNDROME
Between every pair of lumbar vertebrae are three joints:
See those facets, right and left? They are the source of much lower
lumbar back pain. If they remain chronically fixated then the hyaline
cartilage is starved of nutrients and oxygen causing what is known as
IMMOBILISATION ARTHRITIS ...
In the figure above, notice the line called 'pars'. This is the site where a fracture can occur, usually in childhood when the cartilage has not yet turned to bone. This can allow L4 to slide forwards on L5 ... but sometimes it occurs because of severe degenerative changes in the facet joints causing Lumbar Facet Arthropathy SPONDYLOLYSTHESIS ...
Personal anecdote. During the first 20-25 years of practice, I would never have tackled a Grade 4 or 5 lumbar disc injury. Then gradually with increasing manipulative and management skills, urged on by patients who would steadfastly refuse surgery, I began to tackle and succeed with some of the very serious lower back injuries.
Then three months ago, I myself had a very serious L3/L4 disc injury. The disc split into two parts, one extruded into the foramen, and the other sequestered into the spinal canal. Could chiropractic repair such a serious injury, normally considered a surgical emergency? Femoral nerve damage ...
I receive many questions about Chiropractic. It might be help with a spinal condition, but it might also be from a person who can't walk after a hip operation, or some such thing.
I will do that by answering your questions personally, but it will be converted to a Web Page so others can benefit from your questions. Omit your name if you like.
However, do understand that, in the main, I'm going to be directing you, should it be pertinent, to a Chiropractor in your neck of the woods. I'll respond to all reasonable inquiries, but please be specific, and give as much detail as you can.
Google has taken a very strong stand against webpages with poor grammar. Please don't use capitals, dots, hyphens and brackets. Don't write from your smartphone because I simply don't have the time to correct your grammar, and won't answer.
There is no charge for this service, however if you find my answer useful, you might like to consider purchasing my latest book, Stones in my Clog. Gems, both funny and healthful, from the life and work of a Chiropractor. It's only $2.99. http://www.bernard-preston.com/Stones-in-my-Clog.html
Pose Me A Question! Pretty please, in decent grammar and spelling.
I will never give or sell your email address to anyone.
Do understand that lower back pain is extremely complex, so I can only give general guidelines. There's no substitute for a careful thorough chiropractic examination.
Click below to see contributions from other visitors.
If you find my answer useful, please ask friends to grade it.
tingling in arms and feet and legs and back
tingling in arms and feet and legs and back I am a dwaff and i am 47 I've had a mri and emg and came back ok. I've got l4/5 and l3/4 and l5/s1 what …
i am having problem of l5-S1 EXTRUSION AND L4-5 BULGE HAVING PAIN IN LOWER BACK WHILE SEATING
HAVING PAIN WHILE SEATING FRO LONG IN THE LOWER BACK ALSO HAVING PAIN WHILE BENDING FORWARD NUMBNESS IN THE LEFT HIP. Many lower back conditions cause …
pain from left lower back trouble and lifting foot off floorafter standing or walking a short time
I have pain and stiffness from my neck and shoulders down the left side from my lower back down to my ankle and foot. If i walk for a short time I have …
Back pain and leg numbness
Middle and lower back pain, numbness in legs and tingling in hands. Strange feeling like something is leaking down my back and left leg. More images http://radiology-ima …
lower back, hips, legs and neck Not rated yet
I fractured my t12 5y ears ago now i'm having lower back pain with sharp pain shooting from my back into my hips. Then the pain runs down back of my leg …
Lower right leg pain Not rated yet
I am from Nepal. I found this research inst by searching web. I am feeling very happy to know as it provide fruitful information.now, I request to get …
Much less pain, gaining strength but still can't lean back on heel Not rated yet
I have an L4-L5 foraminal disc protrusion. I am going to physical therapy and am gaining strength in my leg but still cannot lean back on my left heel, …
arachnoiditis Not rated yet
I just reviewed my MRI and it says that I have arachnoiditis on L4 as well as bulging L5 disc. Also some small broad based disc protrusions on L2-L3 …
Burning pain down front left thigh and into knee cap, numbness & weakness both legs Not rated yet
Have already had spinal surgery L5-S1 fusion, multiple rhizotomies. Was told 5 years ago (the scan submitted are from back then) I had a stenosis. Things …
Lower back pain and soreness Not rated yet
I have hypermobility which has been made worse by years of yoga practice followed by lots of bending and lifting during years of gardening. I am now 63 …
Herniated disk now three more Not rated yet
I had a herniated disk L4 L5 causing pain in my left leg that made me lie and cry, and a neurosurgeon repaired it. Before I could walk without a limp from …
Low back pain that has come back Not rated yet
Low back pain that has come back Hi, I've been in a car accident a year ago, I was to a osteopath and he said it was just back pain. So I went on..but …
sensitive skin on left side of back Not rated yet
I had a herniated disc L5 5 years ago. Have been ok now for 3 years with the odd bout of pain. At the minute I am experiencing sensitive skin and burning …
Back pain left side about 1/2 in from spine at about t12 Not rated yet
I have had decompression at L2-5 in 2010. a few weeks ago I fell down a few steps. 2 days later i started getting new pains on the left side that I can …
Loss of control in the right leg only while running Not rated yet
I suffer from, for lack of a better phrase, loss of control of the right leg, but only while running. There is no pain, no cramping, no spasms, and no …
Severe right lower back pain. History of L4-L5 stenosis. Not rated yet
I have had this for a couple of years now. I've tried epidural injections and anti-inflammatories but they don't help. A few days ago I bent over to pick …
Pins and needles in right foot. Pain in lower back, feels asif its pulling stiff. Pain which feels like its directly on the spine, Not rated yet
Hi! I am a mother of four, 33yrs old. During birth to my second child in 1998 he moved down against my spine(I believe). After giving birth I could not …
sharp pain in right butt cheek and right hip Not rated yet
have had 4 ESI and be adjusted mant times. Also been on traction table. All help a little but still doesnt fix it. Pain comes every 7 to 10 days and can't …
complete loss of feeling in femaral artery area on right side from pubic area to groin area Not rated yet
x ray today showed degeneration of L4 and L5 ana blood test back in two days looking for RA Osteoarthritis already confirmed had joint in thumb …
complete loss of feeling in femoral artery area on right side from pubic area to groin area Not rated yet
x ray today showed degeneration of L4 and L5 ana blood test back in two days looking for RA Osteoarthritis already confirmed had joint in thumb …
Toes, feet numb Not rated yet
My condition has lasted for over a year. Both my feet are numb all of the time, all toes in particular big toes feel like they are jammed all of the time. …
burning pain down lower leg Not rated yet
BURNING PAIN IN LOWER LEG Hi for the last 6 years I have had bad pain in my left lower leg and walking and standing for more than a min hurt very …
It's my considered opinion that most patients who end up in surgery,