Classic Tietze's syndrome and heartburn.

by Dan
(Hinton AB )


Hello,

I just stumbled across your page, searching for some type of relief. I'm a 29 year old male, fairly active and a father of two. I'll start by saying I've had chronic heartburn for as long as I can remember, probably started as an early teen. I've had left side upper rib and shoulder pain pretty solidly for a year now. It definitely slows me down with my kids, going to the gym or really any physical labour. I've completely stopped going to the gym out of some relief, and frankly I just feel my body has fallen apart so I have no mental game left either. There are two particular incidents I can attribute to this.

I rode a BMX as a child/teen and took an amazing amount of force trauma to most parts of my body. One particular 'wipe-out' I'm sure I cracked a rib. I, being a young kid tried to man up, never got it checked at the hospital. For a few months post wipe-out, every time I coughed, or sneezed it felt like it was re-breaking. Now, I know for sure it was on my left side and front. I'm unsure if it was upper or lower rib though. I assume this could be a link to my age old chronic hurt burn? Ether way this is the first of the two incidents I assume took part.

The second, happened about a year and a half ago. I was getting into lifting heavy at the gym. I was performing a classic bench press. I'm a smaller guy, and was pushing around 140 pounds. I pushed myself to go for another, without a spotter or in a cage, and failed. I ended up pinned under the barbell across my chest. I tried rolling the bar downward to get out, unsuccessfully. Eventually, I flopped the bar down across my left side to the ground. I knew instantly I did damage. It didn't really hurt at first. The pain took a couple of days to progress into the pain I know all too well now. So I went to my chiro.

After a quick visit I felt good as new. Then, it popped out again. Chiro visit 'fixed'. Pop out. Chiro 'fix'. Again and again for well over a year know. Never really getting that normal feeling again. Eventually I lost hope that my chiro would fix anything and tried physiotherapy. It helps slightly, when I get time to go. A tad hard as a new dad to my second child. Anyway, I feel as there is no hope. I've got the heart-burning, rib-poppin blues. Any info or help would be greatly appreciated. I am going to see my chiro tomorrow and will check if she knows of this syndrome. Thanks for the great write-up. Very interesting to me. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

Hello Dan,
Yours in an all too familiar tale; I wish I could get it through to folk that you're not training for the Mr Universe title and the gym is supposed to improve your health, not give you life long pain. Still the damage is done, and there aren't too many of us who have done a dumb thing or two, that we afterwards greatly regret! So, the injury is set in concrete, and let's see if we can move forwards.

Two things are not too clear.
1. Is the pain at the sternum, or in the midback? Or both?

2. After your visits to the chiro when you got relief but it again 'popped out' were you continuing at the gym, or generally in other ways playing silly buggers?

The heartburn may or may not be related. Start by not drinking anything with meals, or for an hour afterwards. Drink very little after dinner. Sleep in the early part of the night on your left side. Let me know if this makes any difference.

Are there tender spots where the ribs attach to the breastbone; is there a visible lump?

Do you have pain or discomfort when you take in a deep breath? Where? Or did you in the past, but not when you think you cracked a rib? Then inspiration was almost certainly painful.

Have you had an x-ray of your chest and thoracic spine, and a gastroscopy? All three would be advisable.

Give me a few answers and then I'll have a clearer picture of your problem.

Dr B

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by: Dan

Thanks for the quick reply Dr.B! I have pain mainly in the mid back, but I have pain near the sternum often as well. After going to my chiro, my rib will fall back out usually from sleeping.

On my left side 😑, which is unfortunate because that's pretty much the only night relief I get of heartburn. I have been trying to sleep on my back with a chiropractic pillow for about a year and it seems to help the amount of time between events.

When this rib issue first started I could barely breath it hurt so bad. Now it seems to be much more consistent. It doesn't hurt to breathe unless a rib comes out. Although, I have consistent pain regardless if a rib is out or not.

I have a large bump in the left front upper near my collar bone. And it's very very tender. Then I have one more very tender spot on the left between my nipples. I have not had an X-ray done. I will look into this. I have had a gastroscopy and a whole whack of other heartburn tests. These resulted in the doctor telling me my esophagus works at 30% strength and at 30% of the time (unconscious swallowing motion).

I told my chiro of the syndrome, and she had never heard of it. She has done some research and I tried laser therapy yesterday on the front tender spots. Seems the same so far. I'll see what happens. Thanks again Dr.B

Hello Dan,
My tentative diagnosis, speculative you understand is indeed classic Tietze's syndrome. It probably goes back to that injury years ago.

What's different in your case is that it seems to be affecting both sterno-clavicular and costo-sternal joints.

Gastric pain lying on your right side is fairly typical of a hiatus hernia; try to avoid the operation; it's very often a misery. Don't drink with or after meals, especially at night, and start a diary; what combinations of foods provoke the pain? Bread at night is often involved. Accept that for the first four to five hours of the night you have to sleep on the left side. If it's really painful, get up and walk around; most likely you'll burp up a bubble of gas.

Tell your chiropractor, for what it's worth, is that in my experience a heavy PA adjustment in the midback will aggravate the problem, but an "anterior thoracic" technique will bring far more relief.

Dan, sadly, no one is going to cure this. Work out what helps, what hinders and go for an occasional but regular chiropractic adjustment.

An ice massage every day in the shower directly over the swollen breastbone joints will help; and perhaps an ice pack in the midback too.

I wish I could bring better news, but in my experience that is the reality. Just like you would learn to live with diabetes with correcty diet and exercise, work out how to cope with Tietze's syndrome.

Remember that a heavy manipulation in the midback will increase the pain. And certain foods will provoke indigestion; smaller meals at night is part of the solution, and no coffee after dinner.

I hope this contributes; let me know in a month or two how you are getting on.

Dr B

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