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(Keywords: neck arm pain, arm pit pain, tingling in arms and hands, hummus)

I present here three letters received at the Chiropractic Help desk that will outline for the gravity and seriousness of pain radiating down the upper extremity from the cervical spine. They may help you to understand that you are not all alone...


Letter A

Hello, I am a 26 year-old male who has been experiencing pain and tingling in the area where my neck and shoulder meet, along with tingling in the arms and hands, wrist and fingers. This has been going on for over a year now.

I did data entry at my job for 5 years and that is where I first started experiencing discomfort in my hands, though most of my issues are on the right side. I have had 2 EMGs 8 months apart, 2 MRIs (one of the neck and one of the brain), an x-ray of the neck, and cortisone injections in my wrists. The tests have all come back fine and I have seen many different doctors who can't seem to pinpoint an issue or come up with a diagnosis.

The symptoms used to be only lower arm pain - in my hands and wrists so they thought it was CTS, but over time my symptoms have changed and worsened. I have experienced tingling in all of my fingers. My arms feel easily fatigued. I feel it is difficult to sit up straight, I can't sleep on my side anymore because my arm (from my armpit all around) and neck feel pain and tingling sensation, where it feels like I need to move to relieve it but no matter what way I move the arm it doesn't feel right. I'm only able to sleep on my back, though sometimes when I do (and I am unsure if this is related) from the top of my rear down to my toes I feel an uncomfortable numbness, but it doesn't happen all the time.

I have been unable to work or enjoy my hobbies such as playing guitar, because any bit of work or activity I do seems to make them worse. Particularly the spot on my wrist and an area in my neck. Up until these problems I lead an active healthy life-style and exercised every other day by doing pull-ups, push-ups and lifting 10-30lbs. dumbbells, so I have always had good body strength. However, I have been unable to do this workout routine.

TINGLING IN ARMS AND HANDS ...


ARM NECK PAIN

Letter B

3 months ago I had a fall, down some steps at work probably fell from a height of @ 1 metre I instinctively stuck my left arm out behind me. I came down fairly hard on the arm this resulted in an intense burning sensation in the upper part of my arm lasting 10 minutes or there about.

The incident was reported and I was checked by site safety officer and after 30 minutes all seemed ok and I returned to work.2 months later I started getting pain in the left arm like a dull ache in the upper part I went to my GP he said it was probably just soft tissue damage, give it a few days and see how it goes.After a week it had progressed to numbness and pins and needles sensation down the forearm across the hand and thumb and first 2 fingers and the dull ache in the upper arm which was now fairly constant.

I also now have a constant twinge in my back in between my shoulder blades and the neck where it meets the shoulders.

I have had x-rays of the neck done but they were inconclusive.

What is it that I have most likely done to end up with these symptoms? I know the initial burning sensation I experienced was most probably related to stress on some nerve or nerves.


LOWER ARM PAIN

Letter 3

Pins and needles starting in my finger tips and going up to my elbow in my right arm. I cannot carry anything in rt. hand without it starting.




Neck Arm pain


I would say that the most challenging conditions at the Chiropractic Coalface concern neck shoulder arm pain. From the patient's point of view these conditions can be very disabling and to make matters worse they often seriously disturb sleep. Unlike a sciatica, you can't find a position to relieve the pain in the arm.


Obviously lower arm pain, for example, could be a local problem like arthritis in the fingers or if you fell an injury like a sprained wrist. Or the severe pain I'm suffering from after contact with a nasty rhus tree that gave me a very painful rash two months ago and the nerve pain is now waking me at night. I doubt an adjustment of the neck would help!

However, the stubborn carpal tunnel syndromes, the tennis elbows, the frozen shoulders and rotator cuff syndromes that haven't responded to medicine and physiotherapy's best efforts, I find almost always have one of two underlying causes:


The Upper limb tension test is the gold standard test for a pinched nerve in the neck.


  • A First Rib (aka Thoracic Outlet syndrome ) affecting both the brachial plexus of nerves and often the artery supplying the arm too. A double wammy of nerve irritation and insufficient blood to the arm. The key sign is a very weak, tired arm when it is raised and used above the shoulders - as in hanging the washing. THORACIC OUTLET SYNDROME ...


The "inter scalene triangle" is bounded by three structures:

  • Anterior scalene muscle
  • Medial scalene muscle
  • First rib

NECK ARM PAIN CASE HISTORIES

ARM PAIN Case Histories

I present here two challenging cases. Two cases, one with pain in her upper arm of some two years duration. Surgery did not help, and eventually the nerve bundles to her shoulder became so badly irritated she got a frozen shoulder from her neck arm pain. In a case of left arm shoulder pain of acute onset, an impending heart attack should of course also be considered. Nausea? Sweating? Extreme anxiety?In the second case, a 6 month pain in arm, was a very stubborn case of tennis elbow. And standing behind it, a twenty year history of neck pain. Both cases have been a challenge, both are doing very nicely, but... get that neck sorted out before it starts giving you a nasty neck arm pain. That nerve pain in the arm is far worse than the pain in the neck. CARPAL TUNNEL Case File ...

HOME TRACTION UNIT @ Neck Arm pain

When all else fails in the management of neck arm pain, think exercises, think omega-3 oil and think traction. There is no scientific evidence that traction ON ITS OWN has any benefit with pain upper arm or lower arm pain ... but combined with chiropractic care I can offer you anecdotal evidence that it does contribute. Perhaps you'd like to make a home traction unit like this innovative patient did. We couldn't find a decent traction unit in Holland. It made a big difference to a stubborn two-year upper arm muscle pain. In fact in the end, he found that the traction helped more than my treatment! or that of various doctors over the previous two years. HOME TRACTION UNIT ...


Carpal Tunnel EXERCISES

One of the frustrations of neck arm pain is that the patient feels helpless. There appears to be nothing they can do to help themselves. Well there is. Provided the pain and tingling in arms and hands excludes the pinkie these Carpal Tunnel exercises MIGHT help, and certainly won't make it worse. Do them lying down if you have shoulder pain.

ARM PIT PAIN



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If you have pain in the arm pit that you can't provoke by turning your neck, or raising your arm, then I'd see your medical doctor first. Just to be sure because it might NOT be the Neck Arm pain we have been discussing. The Subscapularis, Teres Major and Latissimus dorsi muscles are the usual causes of arm pit pain, but nasty swollen lymph nodes lurk there very occasionally. Every woman, in particular, should be looking to replace some of the animal protein - eggs, cheese, meat - in her diet with vegetable protein such as tofu and hummus, green beans and lentils.

Research in the Netherlands, where one in eight women will get breast cancer, the highest in the world, is that too much animal protein is the chief cause, along with post-menopausal hormone replacement therapy.


CERVICAL RIBS


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Ribs pertain normally to the Thoracic Spine, the midback, but occasionally a very large Cervical Rib, in the lower neck may interfere with the artery and nerves supplying the arm causing a mystifying array of neck arm pain signs and symptoms for the clinician. CERVICAL RIB CaseFile ...


PS: If you have no interest in the problems and questions that others have regarding neck arm pain, then just scroll quickly down past several letters.

RIGHT DECISIONS

It's the responsibility of all who are treating the patient with neck arm pain to help the patient make the right choices and decisions ... it's not the time for partisan politicking.

If the patient is not responding well to Chiropractic help, then it's time for a second (medical) opinion, or even the opinion of another chiropractor.


If the patient suffering from pain and tingling in the arms and hands is not responding well to anti inflammatory drugs  then it's time for the medical doctor to consider whether a course of chiropractic adjustments may not be in the patient's interests.

Often there's an arthritic component. Are there degenerative, inflammatory changes within the joints of Luschka? Would a course of fish oil and some of the findings from flax seed nutrition information to be considered. Omega-3 is a powerful anti-inflammatory.

Hard choices have to be sometimes made.


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I receive many questions at Chiropractic Help. It might be help for a spinal condition, but it could also be about a failed Carpal Tunnel operation, or some such thing.

I will do that by answering your questions personally, but it will be converted to a Web Page so others can benefit from your questions. Omit your name if you like...

However, do understand that, in the main, I'm going to be directing you (should it be pertinent) to a Chiropractor in your neck of the woods. I'll respond to all reasonable inquiries, but please be specific, and give some details: which fingers, what increases the pain, and relieves it, injuries, do xrays show anything, does placing your arm on your head relieve or increase tingling in the arm... without these sort of details, I'm unable to give a sensible answer.

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From the garden

Healthy fats come mainly from three sources: avocado, olive and fatty fish. Of course, nuts and seeds, especially omega-3 rich flax seed.And omega-3 is vital if you suffer from joint pain, in general, more specifically from neck arm pain.

An miniature avocado tree will be such a blessing if you have the space. Not only is avocado fat rich in momo-unsaturated fatty acids, the good stuff, zero cholesterol, but an avocado-a-day contains all the beta-sitosterol (a phytosterol) a man needs to prevent nasty benign prostate enlargement.

Nerves are coated in fat (called a myelin sheath), vital for conduction of nervous impulses. Diseases such a Multiple Sclerosis attack this fatty sheath, and a very low fat diet, or eating the bad fats, is strongly implicated in these very serious autoimmune diseases. Tingling in arms and hands in the absence of neck pain? What are phytosterols ... ?


Tofu

Tofu is the main source of protein in the East. It's an (unexciting) but extremely valuable source of vegetable protein, derived from the soya bean. But unlike soya bean burgers that I personally find detestable, tofu is perfectly palatable if you dickey it up with chillies, ginger and garlic. It's also a very cheap source of protein, try and eat Tofu nutrition at least once a week.


Hummus

Hummus is a traditional Mediterranean dish made from chickpeas. Also known as Garbanzo Beans, chickpeas are the world's favourite legume. Hummus is quite expensive to buy, and often laden with chemicals such as preservatives, flavour enhancers... instead, I make a large tub twice a week in our own kitchen. It takes me less than five minutes from start to finish. Chickpeas are very cheap.

We have one to three large tablespoons almost every day with a salad, or on bread. AUTHENTIC HUMMUS RECIPE ...


Planning. Now is the time to decide just how much space you have in your garden for vegetables and fruit, remembering that FIVE colours in your diet every day is mandatory if you don't want to get cancer. The Black and White diet went out with B&W TV! If your space is limited, could I punt for GROWING GREEN BEANS ... Just three or four pole bean seeds, planted every week or two will keep you in green beans right through the summer. They'll grow like weeds up any trellis work in a sunny spot in the garden, on a fence, up a stake... easy!

And, once you have considered this green bean and lentil soup you WILL find a sunny corner for a few pole bean plants!


In short, healthy eating is vital for sparkling good health, and especially a healthy nervous system. Don't expect to be healthy if you eat crap!


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Interesting challenges of the day

1. Mr B  came initially for a painful and stiff neck and then asked whether chiropractic could help the cold numb feeling running down the side of his thigh for six months. Meralgia paresthetica is a double crush syndrome with the nerve affected in the back and groin. He's 80% improved after five treatments.

2. Mrs C has a long history of severe, disabling migraine headaches since having her wisdom teeth removed. She clenches her teeth at night. After six treatments she has no migraines but some jaw joint discomfort remains; a bite plate is in the offing.

3. Mrs U has the trophy for the worst back this year. After major surgery with plates and screws two years later she still had paresis in the lower leg and severe disabling back pain. She's doing far better than expected, in no little part due to a lift in her shoe for a very short leg.

4. Mr V is 86 years old and hurt his back helping his wife into the car. Just one treatment of the sacroiliac joint and he's eighty percent better. It's not always like that.

5. Mr W lay on his back knocking down a pillar. Turning his head causes severe vertigo. He needs the Epley exercises, not pills, research shows. Update, he's fine.

6. Mrs X, a young mother has severe lower back pain, with numbness down the posterior thigh, calf and side of her foot. It started after a long drive in the car. After six treatments she is 60 percent better, but it's slow and is going to take the full 6 weeks to heal.

And now a setback, after lifting her child she now has leg pain. It's going to the be difficult.

7. This lady is a 70 year old woman, is on maintenance care for a nasty lumbar stenosis despite having to do everything at home. Her husband has a hospital acquired infection after a total shoulder replacement. After four operations he is incapacitated.

8. She is an 78 year old woman, is doing remarkably well with a bad sciatica. But over 200 pounds she is not losing weight; in fact, gaining despite my suggestions. She's high risk for a stroke. I have referred her to a dietician to crack the whip.

9. This man is a 73 year old engineer, still working, is doing fine after a long episode of lower back pain. Some pain on the side of the hip remains after five treatments. I reassured him it's not hip arthritis.

10. A 64 year old woman has had scheuermanns disease; it's left her with a spinal kyphosis and chronic middorsal pain. She responds well to chiropractic treatment provides she come every six weeks or so for maintenance treatment.

11. Mr C has been having severe headaches, and taking a lot of analgesics. It's a non complicated upper cervical facet syndrome, and she's doing well.

12. Mrs D, a middle aged woman with hip pain of one year duration, despite other treatment. Xrays reveal an impingement syndrome and early hip arthritis. There's much to be done.

13. Both Mrs E and I can't believe how much better her lower back and leg pain are. Surgery for a scoliosis and spondylolysthesis three years ago helped greatly for one year. But then her leg went lame and weak. He was responded extremely well despite all expectations.

And so the day goes; chiropractors shouldn't be treating the elderly most medical sites state but that's so much bunkum.



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