(Keywords: LOWER BACK SURGERY, back surgery costs, leg pain after back surgery, chiropractic, lower lumbar back pain )
The honest answer: when all else fails and you simply have no where else to turn. And the pain or disability is so bad that you just can't 'live with it'.
And then only if the surgeon is absolutely sure he knows where the pain is coming from. You see, Medicine's own term is FBS: Failed Back Surgery. Their own research indicates that less than 50% of fusions for example can be considered successful.
A group of the world's leading orthopaedic- and neurosurgeons, with all the best tools and scanners available, concurred that they were less than 50% of the time absolutely sure what was causing the pain.
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Over the years it has been a sobering fact that I've treated some patients with lower back and leg pain, not succeeded and eventually referred them to a medical specialist. The report comes back: The MRI confirms that the problem was at a different level from the one I was treating. Had I had access to that information in the beginning, I'm convinced at least half the time I could have saved the patient from lower back surgery, and his insurance a vast sum of money. One, a dear friend, is a constant reminder of how I screwed up. I was adjusting the wrong level. And now, after multiple surgeries, her life is miserable...
It's stretching the point but say for example you came to me with a Carpal Tunnel Syndrome in your right arm, and I treated your left arm. Would the right arm get better? Of course not. Likewise, if your chiropractor, or the surgeon, is treating say the L4-L5 facet on the right when the problem is was actually at the L2-L3 facet, would the patient get better? Certainly not.
For both the chiropractor and the surgeon there is simply no substitute for a careful, conscientious and painstakingly-thorough examination. If you think your practitioner, chiropractic or medical, is doing anything less, GO ELSEWHERE! Knowing "what and where" is absolutely crucial.
TREATMENT BASED ON A WRONG DIAGNOSIS IS DOOMED TO FAIL, be it LOWER BACK SURGERY or CHIROPRACTIC ADJUSTMENTS.
ON WHAT BASIS WILL YOUR CHIROPRACTOR MAKE HIS/HER DIAGNOSIS?
The Physical Examination: before LOWER BACK SURGERY
Carefully and thoroughly, your doctor should:
WRONG DIAGNOSIS = INAPPROPRIATE TREATMENT = FAILED BACK SURGERY/ FAILED BACK CHIROPRACTIC.
See how the ubiquitious Maignes syndrome can produce pain in the buttock, the side of the leg and the groin? Knowing exactly where the numbness is can make all the difference in arriving at an exact correct diagnosis: A facet syndrome on the right at L1-L2, or is it at L2-L3. Adjusting, or surgically treating the wrong level is doomed to failure.
REFLEXES and specific MUSCLE WEAKNESS
Likewise the reflexes and paresis of a particular muscle group give the clinician great insight into the level of the lesion. You can test yourself for muscle weakness...
4. Pain : Palpation of the segment can be very misleading, but it is one more tool that we use. If after all examinations there is still doubt whether the lesion is at L4-L5 or L5-S1, and L5 is very painful on palpation, then one might decide to go for the lower level.
5. Motion Palpation :
This is where your chiropractor will excel since s/he examines every
patient, looking for spinal fixations. Diligent motion palpation is a
powerful tool, but it too is not always conclusive. In a severe disc
lesion one may find no fixation at all, because the nucleus pulposis has
escaped the confining ring-shaped 'annular' disc fibres. And sometimes
an old injury resulting in a chronic fixation may give misleading
information about the current problem.
X-rays are both very useful, and can be very misleading. This particular patient has three compression fractures at T12, L1 and L2, (assumed medically to be the source of his pain), and loss of the L4-L5 disc space (marked D), yet Motion Palpation, Kemp's Test and deep tenderness indicated that his pain was coming from the facet joints at L5-L1. A lumbar facet syndrome.
The proof of the pudding is always in the eating. Indeed adjusting L5 has decreased his pain and increased his mobility by 90%. This 64-year old man does his exercises faithfully, knows that he can't go on long dawdles with his wife when shopping, he will the one to drop! though a good 'wandel' is fine. He comes in every six weeks for his maintenance treatment. This man was under threat of lower back surgery, and is more than happy with Chiropractic... I wonder on which part of his spine they were planning the surgery! Where the fractures are? At L4-L5 where the disc space is reduced? Or at the actual level of his problem: L5-S1.
LOWER BACK SURGERY
It's widely acknowledged by radiological researchers that a significant (up to a third) of normal people with absolutely no back pain have bulging discs and abnormalities on MRI. Having said that, the MRI is a wondrous tool, fiendishly difficult to read properly, but it can make all the difference in coming to a sound diagnosis.
unethical surgeon, or chiropractor for that matter, looking for a fast
buck can usually find something on MRI or X-ray that can be used to
convince you that his/ her procedure will help you.
"It's critical to have a thorough workup — to get a sense of the root cause of your pain."
Arnold J. Weil, M.D.
FROM THE CHIROPRACTIC COALFACE: before LOWER BACK SURGERY
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Yesterday I was consulted by a young man with severe pain in the back of his right thigh and calf. The pain started three months previously in his back for no obvious reason. As the pain in his leg increased, so lower back pain receded:
20% LBP / 80% leg pain, an ominous sign.
the "crossed" Slump test was strongly positive. Raising his LEFT leg
produced severe pain in the back of his RIGHT thigh.
SLUMP TEST ...
Aside: If the crossed sign is strongly positive, traction will always aggravate the condition.
He stood in an antalgic posture, stuck forwards and leaning towards the side of pain. The so-called Dejeurine triad was positive: coughing, sneezing and bearing down on the WC were painful.
Surprisingly there were no hard neurological signs: no numbness, normal reflexes and no muscle weakness.
The lowest segment in his back, normally L5, was exquisitely painful on palpation, and fixated on motion palpation.
Simple straight-forward diagnosis? Postero Medial L5-S1, Grade II lumbar disc protrusion.
Not so. One look at his X-rays show an extra lumbar vertebra (a so-called "lumbarisation" of part of his sacrum S1, with loss of L4-L5 disc space. So, is the problem at L4-L5 or L5-L6 or L6-S1? X-rays point to the higher level, examination to the lowest. The presence of the anomaly makes the pain pattern to the back of the thigh less certain. Today he has a MRI scan, out of his own pocket because his doctor has refused to order a scan.
Knowing the level of the lesion, with a high degree of certainty is critical to a successful outcome. Three months of medical management (neglect frankly, in my opinion) has seen him get steadily worse. Can Chiropractic still mean something for him at this late stage? Or is it lower back surgery?
What's on his side is that the Postero Medial disk herniation usually
responds better and quicker than it's more common first cousin, the
Postero Lateral Disk herniation.
POSTERO MEDIAL DISK HERNIATION ...
4 days later we have the MRI
It came as no surprise. A large lumbar disc protrusion at L5-S1, the lumbarisation, the list to starboard, and the pinched nerve in the foramen. Exactly what the physical exam predicted.
See how the young man has an antalgic list TOWARDS the painful side. What I call the Pisa sign. This is typical of the postero-medial disc herniation. Exactly what I expected.
Here you can see the large bulge into the foramen trapping the nerve to the back of his right leg. No wonder he has so much pain in his thigh. This is sore. Ouch!
This is a serious case. Medicine says we have no business dealing with a case like this. He should go straight under the knife.
I give him a 50/50 chance of escaping surgery. Everything is dependent on "does he trust me". Will he go the distance, or will family and friends, his doctor, pressure him? One sneeze, one silly movement can change everything.
Minus: He had a lot of pain after the first treatment, and had to call his doctor in for a shot.
Plus: Today, lifting his left leg produced no pain in his right leg. He too noticed it straight away. But, he's on heavy medication.
My take? He's definitely a bit better, but it's a knife edge. This is what makes Chiropractic so exciting. The challenge, the human drama. Never bored, I'm exhausted 's avonds. I'm a Dutchman. In the evening.
When he's at home, he SHALL follow these rules to the T. No set backs is the rule:
SLIPPED DISC RULES ...
LOWER BACK SURGERY COSTS
Americans spend $86 billion on back treatment every year, roughly the same as for cancer, a very large slice of which goes towards the back surgery costs. However research confirms that the problem is getting worse not better despite all the moola spent. Discectomies and fusions are soaring, over one million per year in the USA, yet more and more people are disabled and miserable.
8% of patients have a second surgery within two years; and 20% within ten years. Less than half of fusions are appropriate and successful. At a cost of $75,000 each...
I give the young man in the case above about a 80% chance of full recovery, if he sticks with the program. He has a surgical consult in a month, and I have to do a miracle before that. 80% is admittedly a thumb suck, but based on thirty years experience. The direct cost?
Acute phase: 2/w for 4 weeks = 8 treatments.
Rehab phase: 1/w for 3 weeks = 3
Tailoring off 1/w 2 weeks = 2
Maintenance: 1/6w for 40 wks = 7
20 treatments in one year @ €43 = €700 - €1000
The "intangible costs" are more difficult to measure. He has his own computer business and will be completely out of action for at least a week, as he may not sit, not at all. Thereafter he will most likely be able to perch and do some time on his computer. In total he is probably going to be disabled and unproductive for 2-3 weeks. One sneeze can change everything...
‘Spine’ is probably one of the most esteemed medical journals in the world. Spine has reported that, in a randomized controlled trial or RCT (one of the benchmark Chiropractic research trials) of patients with chronic back and neck pain, after 9 weeks of Chiropractic treatment 27% were completely without pain. In comparison only 9% of patients who received acupuncture and a miserly 5% of patients who took prescribed medication were pain free.
In another Spine research article Aure et al showed that in a group of 49 patients with chronic low back pain, preventing them from working, that 67% of those receiving manipulation were back at work after two months in comparison with 27% who received exercise only.
Lower back surgery risk factors
Every Chiropractor will tell you how s/he dreads the acute low back and leg pain patient who is also a smoker. The chances of chiropractic helping, are also reduced...
BACK SURGERY COSTS
When considering lower back surgery costs, one must also count in the
hidden costs: the months of sick leave and loss of productivity, the
decreased enjoyment of life for the patient with lower back pain, the
rehabilitation, and the burden borne by the whole family, when one
member goes 'man down' for a few months. Read more in this report:
LOWER BACK PAIN ...
LEG PAIN AFTER BACK SURGERY
If at all possible avoid LOWER BACK SURGERY
I don't pretend to have the statistics as to just how often leg pain develops AFTER surgery (I'm on the hunt for them and will update this page accordingly) but in practice one is fairly regularly faced with patients who either got little relief of leg pain, or temporary relief, or leg pain started after surgery.
Can that happen with
Chiropractic too? Yes, it can, though the incidence in my own practice
is low, and almost always of a temporary nature. Chiropractic
researchers are now busy gathering statistics of this nature so that we
have a much clearer science-based answer, rather than a general thumb
LEG PAIN after BACK SURGERY ... ( showthread.php?t=380350 )
TO SUM UP... LOWER BACK SURGERY.
I'm personally in principle not against good lower back surgery based on a sound diagnosis, after all else has been explored, and in the hands of a careful and experienced surgeon. I refer patients myself for surgery occasionally when it's clear that Chiropractic is not going to help.
A surgeon would probably say: ... I not against Chiropractic care ... in the hands of a careful and experienced chiropractor...
How do Chiropractors and Surgeons become competent and experienced. The hard way, I'm afraid. We don't call it 'a practice' for nothing. We practice on you!
Careful, thorough and conscientious are not necessarily qualities that one gains with experience. I personally think that all patients, no matter what condition they have, should be asking themselves the question: "Is this doctor, chiropractor, surgeon... being careful, thorough and conscientious?" If you're unsure, vote with your feet!
"A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary."
A good doctor too.
COMPLICATIONS OF SURGERY
Before going for lumbar back surgery it's worth giving chiropractic
treatment a solid try. At least a month. Obviously there are
COMPLICATIONS OF SURGERY ...
LOWER LUMBAR BACK PAIN
Avoid LOWER BACK SURGERY
Successfully addressing chronic lower lumbar back pain in the
chiropractic clinic usually means addressing numerous factors: a short
leg, spinal and sacroiliac and hip fixations, poor muscle tone, obesity,
smoking, posture and work situations... all contribute to back pain.
LOWER LUMBAR BACK PAIN ...
The above case...
Fortunately there were two people very determined that he wouldn't have lower back surgery. He and I. Despite the pain he needed no encouragement to go the distance.
Unlike medicine in chiropractic the patient is very involved in the healing process. It's not just a case of take a pill, and go on with your life... it's vital that you follow instructions to the letter, use your common sense. In a sense it's your own body that is the healer, all we are doing is aiding and abetting that process. Refusing to do the exercises faithfully, to stop sitting, even one good sneeze can ruin everything.
Prevention is the key...
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Interesting challenges of the day
1. Mr B came initially for a painful and stiff neck and then asked whether chiropractic could help the cold numb feeling running down the side of his thigh for six months. Meralgia paresthetica is a double crush syndrome with the nerve affected in the back and groin. He's 80% improved after five treatments.
2. Mrs C has a long history of severe, disabling migraine headaches since having her wisdom teeth removed. She clenches her teeth at night. After six treatments she has no migraines but some jaw joint discomfort remains; a bite plate is in the offing.
3. Mrs U has the trophy for the worst back this year. After major surgery with plates and screws two years later she still had paresis in the lower leg and severe disabling back pain. She's doing far better than expected, in no little part due to a lift in her shoe for a very short leg.
4. Mr V is 86 years old and hurt his back helping his wife into the car. Just one treatment of the sacroiliac joint and he's eighty percent better. It's not always like that.
5. Mr W lay on his back knocking down a pillar. Turning his head causes severe vertigo. He needs the Epley exercises, not pills, research shows. Update, he's fine.
6. Mrs X, a young mother has severe lower back pain, with numbness down the posterior thigh, calf and side of her foot. It started after a long drive in the car. After six treatments she is 60 percent better, but it's slow and is going to take the full 6 weeks to heal.
And now a setback, after lifting her child she now has leg pain. It's going to the be difficult.
7. This lady is a 70 year old woman, is on maintenance care for a nasty lumbar stenosis despite having to do everything at home. Her husband has a hospital acquired infection after a total shoulder replacement. After four operations he is incapacitated.
8. She is an 78 year old woman, is doing remarkably well with a bad sciatica. But over 200 pounds she is not losing weight; in fact, gaining despite my suggestions. She's high risk for a stroke. I have referred her to a dietician to crack the whip.
9. This man is a 73 year old engineer, still working, is doing fine after a long episode of lower back pain. Some pain on the side of the hip remains after five treatments. I reassured him it's not hip arthritis.
10. A 64 year old woman has had scheuermanns disease; it's left her with a spinal kyphosis and chronic middorsal pain. She responds well to chiropractic treatment provides she come every six weeks or so for maintenance treatment.
11. Mr C has been having severe headaches, and taking a lot of analgesics. It's a non complicated upper cervical facet syndrome, and she's doing well.
12. Mrs D, a middle aged woman with hip pain of one year duration, despite other treatment. Xrays reveal an impingement syndrome and early hip arthritis. There's much to be done.
13. Both Mrs E and I can't believe how much better her lower back and leg pain are. Surgery for a scoliosis and spondylolysthesis three years ago helped greatly for one year. But then her leg went lame and weak. He was responded extremely well despite all expectations.
And so the day goes; chiropractors shouldn't be treating the elderly most medical sites state but that's so much bunkum.
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